Update! Surrey Course LiveChat 13/11/17 17.30 - 19.30

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Update! Surrey Course LiveChat 13/11/17 17.30 - 19.30

Postby clinlecturer » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:20 pm

We now have a date and time for our LiveChat - Staff from the programme team will be online from 5.30-7.30pm on Monday 13th November to respond to your queries about our course and the application / selection process.

We do suggest that you read our entry on the Clearing House website beforehand:

http://www.leeds.ac.uk/chpccp/Clin28Surrey.html

We look forward to meeting you next week!

Meanwhile, here's a list of some FAQs to start the ball rolling....

General F.A.Q
Thank you for your interest in PsychD Clinical Psychology at the University of Surrey. You can find out about the course here http://www.surrey.ac.uk/psychology/study/pgt/clinical/index.htm and here http://www.surrey.ac.uk/postgraduate/practitioner-doctorate-clinical-psychology-psychd. Applications are completed via the Clearing House website http://www.leeds.ac.uk/chpccp/.

The entry requirements are a 2.1 in Psychology, eligibility for graduate basis for chartered membership (GBC) with the British Psychological Society (BPS) and nine months full time equivalent relevant work experience. You must also demonstrate how your relevant work experience has allowed you to apply psychological principles in practice. You also need to be able to drive and have access to a vehicle for placement.

You can find out about applying for GBC with the BPS on the BPS website athttp://www.bps.org.uk/what-we-do/membership/graduate-member-mbpss/graduate-member-mbpss.

We look for evidence of experience that has allowed you to adopt a psychologically informed approach. Work needs to be with a clinically relevant population. Research should involve contact with participants and the exploration of a relevant psychological approach.

Applicants that meet our requirements will be invited to sit a multiple choice test which takes place in February, and a Situational Judgement test. The tests are marked and ranked, and the highest scoring test takers are invited to interview.

Is my work experience relevant?
I am afraid that we cannot provide individuals with specific guidance regarding whether their work experience is relevant, other than the admissions criteria which are published on our webpages and on the Clearing House page. Due to the large number of applications we receive each year, the academic team are not able to provide personalised application advice for all applicants, and so this would give an unfair advantage

You must also demonstrate how your relevant work experience has allowed you to apply psychological principles in practice. We look for evidence of experience that has allowed you to adopt a psychologically informed approach. Work needs to be with a clinically relevant population. Research should involve contact with participants and the exploration of a relevant psychological approach.

I’ve got a 2.2

Applicants with a 2.2 in their degree need to have a masters by research (MRes) with 65%, or a PhD in order to be eligible to apply.

My degree isn’t in Psychology

Applicants who have a first degree in a different subject are eligible to apply if they have taken a conversion course that grants eligibility for GBC. You will need a 2.1 in your first degree or have done an additional masters by research (MRes) or PhD. and achieved 65% or over. This is in addition to the conversion degree.

I’m not from the UK so don’t know if I can apply

In order to apply for the programme at Surrey, you must be eligible for UK/EU fees. This is because the NHS pays trainees’ fees. Your fees status is based on your nationality and your residency, and you can find out more about how your fees status would be classified here http://www.leeds.ac.uk/chpccp/BasicInternationalFees.html.
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Re: Update! Surrey Course LiveChat 13/11/17 17.30 - 19.30

Postby clinlecturer » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:31 pm

Here's a transcript of the LiveChat - thanks to all who participated :D

(17:46:32) clinlecturer: While we wait for some live questions, here's a few questions posted earlier on the forum to get us started...
(17:46:34) clinlecturer: - If I were to take up an honorary position, would Surrey University value Assistant Psychologist experience or Research Assistant experience more?

- If I were to tailor my work experience to getting a place on the Surrey University course, what sort of roles should I consider?

- How much value does the University place on first class degrees and degrees from top 10 / Russell Group universities? (I have read that some Universities place a higher value on this than others).

- What advice would you give to (a) older applicants (b) career changers from a non-mental health field?
(17:48:48) clinlecturer: At Surrey we value a range of experiences -both research and clinical. In summary, applicants require 9 months or equivalent full time experience. We look for evidence of experience that has allowed you to adopt a psychologically informed approach. Work needs to be with a clinically relevant population. Research should involve contact with participants and the exploration of a relevant psychological approach.
(17:51:23) clinlecturer: Relevant roles can be voluntary or paid, and from either the public or private sector. The important thing is that they have allowed you to put psychological theory / approaches into practice. Examples of roles might be working as an assistant psychologist, Increasing Access to Psychological Therapies (IAPT) worker, research assistant, and some healthcare assistant/support worker posts which involve working with clinical populations and have been supervised by a clinical psychologist.
(17:53:23) clinlecturer: At Surrey we value degrees from all HEIs. We don't make any judgement based on the institution. Candidates are required to have a 1st or 2:1 honours degree. This can either be:

A psychology degree which confers eligibility for GBC (1st or 2:1 honours)
A degree in another subject (1st or 2:1 honours) plus an accredited conversion qualification which confers eligibility for GBC.
(17:53:34) ChatBot: ebeck logs into the Chat.
(17:54:28) ebeck: Hi all, sorry I'm late! 8o
(17:54:29) clinlecturer: We welcome applications from older applicants and those changing careers who meet our entrance criteria and have relevant recent experience.
(17:55:10) clinlecturer: Hi ebeck - welcome to the LiveChat - do you have a question for us?
(17:55:31) ebeck: Hi, are you able to talk a little about the extent to which you do, or do not look through the application form once the test results are in?
(17:57:01) clinlecturer: We use the information from the application form to make sure that all applicants who meet the minimum criteria are invited to sit the test.
(17:57:46) clinlecturer: If you are invited to interview, one of the panel members will also have access to your application form
(17:58:12) ebeck: Thank you, and so other than that, you don't really use it? If you have managed to get through the exam sift, it's then all about the performance on the day at interview?
(17:59:02) ebeck: Ah, sorry, typed too quickly. So the form might inform the interviewer a bit about the candidate's background?
(18:00:28) clinlecturer: We also use the information from the application to help determine the shortlist of applicants who we invite to interview, and our final selection of candidates
(18:01:07) ebeck: Ok, that's good to know. A chap from Salomons was fairly open saying that they didn't really use the form, so I was curious where Surrey stood on that.
(18:02:49) clinlecturer: While both universities share aspects of the application process, both apply different shortlisting criteria
(18:03:01) ebeck: Will it be possible to post this year's mcq on the repository of past papers? Last I looked, only 2016 was up.
(18:04:14) clinlecturer: No. We will not be making past tests available, however examples of typical MCQ questions can be found on the Salomons webpages
(18:04:34) ebeck: Ok thank you.
(18:05:52) ebeck: This question may be a step too far, but I'll ask it anyway, whilst being quite prepared that you may not be ok to answer it:
(18:05:53) ebeck: Much is made of the personal interview both in the alternative handbook and 'out there' on the grapevine. Many say it is shockingly scary and personal. What can we expect and how boundaried can/should a candidate be in answering personal questions?
(18:09:32) clinlecturer: The personal suitability interview explores readiness and reflective capacity. As such it is not meant to be scary or off putting! In terms of how much information to reveal, that is completely up to you. We would not suggest revealing completely unprocessed material as we would not want you to feel inappropriately exposed. However, we would you to be able to demonstrated how your experiences have shaped your thinking
(18:11:14) ChatBot: Esuma logs into the Chat.
(18:11:21) ebeck: That is really helpful, thank you. So it's about knowing who you are and where you've come from - that's what I would have thought....
(18:11:54) ebeck: How would a Surrey representative characterise the flavour of its course in a few sentences? There is a lot on the website and the clearing house website, but in a nutshell, what is Surrey's essence, from the course team's perspective?
(18:12:22) ChatBot: clinpsy logs into the Chat.
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(18:16:10) clinlecturer: Thanks for your questions ebeck, our entry on the clearing house site details our course ethos. Will you be making an application this year?
(18:18:04) ebeck: Hi Clinlecuturer, reflective and integrative - would that sum it up? That's what I take from all the material I've read about Surrey. Yes, I will be applying.
(18:18:13) clinlecturer: Hello laurajane1994 - welcome to the LiveChat
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(18:21:57) clinlecturer: Reflective and integrative are good descriptives although the course and NHS values are also key to our ethos
(18:22:48) ebeck: Thank you, that helps.
(18:23:51) ebeck: Laurajane1994 - did you want to ask the Surrey course team anything - it is just you and I on the chat, and I don't want to dominate it!
(18:26:04) laurajane1994: Thank you. I am grateful that this chat has been made available to us! My question is about the MCQ - would you say it was undergraduate level statistics or would we benefit from looking more widely than what is usually taught at undergrad?
(18:28:57) clinlecturer: We would typically put the type of questions we would expect a psychology graduate to be able to answer, but we do have a range of complexity in terms of both questions and answers
(18:32:31) ebeck: 'Complexity in terms of answers' - is this a departure from a purely MCQ format, or are you referring to the idea that more than one option may be correct from the multiple choice, and the candidate needs to correctly choose all that apply?
(18:35:37) clinlecturer: You are correct that some of our MCQ questions may require multiple responses. We are unable to forewarn of any changes to the test format.
(18:36:39) laurajane1994: Thank you, that is helpful to know!
(18:37:25) ebeck: Thank you. Beyond selection procedures: what does a working week look like and what are the rules regarding annual leave? Is it possible for parents to get some time with their kids in school holidays?
(18:41:42) clinlecturer: Trainees are typically based at the University on Mondays and Tuesdays and on placement for the rest of the week. As an NHS employee, you would have annual leave in line with all other AfC Band 6 workers - leave must be booked in advance and in consultation with your clinical tutor and placement supervisor. There are certain times of year when due to course requirements it is not possible to book leave, however we are sensitive to the needs of parents and carers and would try to accommodate reasonable requests for time off.
(18:43:13) ebeck: Thank you, that is very helpful and sounds extremely reasonable.
(18:46:26) ebeck: Thank you so much clinlecturer for taking the time to talk to us about the course. It's really good to be able to ask our questions.
(18:47:31) clinlecturer: No problem :)
(18:47:53) clinlecturer: We are here for another 45 minutes....
(18:50:23) laurajane1994: Thank you!
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(18:57:00) ebeck: Can you say a bit more about the family/systemic part of the course? I think there was hope it might get accredited, where are things with that?
(19:00:51) clinlecturer: Systemic elements are incorporated throughout the course in terms of teaching and academic work. Trainees have a systemic teaching week and regular personal and professional development groups which are run from a systemic perspective. The accreditation documentation has been submitted so we are just awaiting final approval.
(19:03:40) ebeck: Ah, that's excellent news. Thank you!
(19:04:18) clinlecturer: The accreditation refers to the Association of Family Therapy and Systemic Practice
(19:05:22) ebeck: Yes, the foundation level, isn't it?
(19:05:32) clinlecturer: An earlier post asked about the location of placements. The clinical placements are based in South West London, Surrey and West Sussex and cover an area of great geographical and cultural diversity, from metropolitan districts of London; through urban and rural areas of Surrey and Sussex down to the South Coast. Trainees are expected to travel to placements (extending from South West London in the north, to the south coast at Worthing, and east/west from Chichester through Guildford to Redhill and Warlingham).
(19:06:30) clinlecturer: Yes foundation level AFT
(19:10:53) clinlecturer: In terms of placement organisation currently trainees all complete an initial year-long core adult placement in the first year. In the second year, trainees complete two of the following core 6-month placements: children and family, older people or learning disability services. In the third year, trainees undertake two 6-month placements split between a specialist placement and the remaining core placement (ie in children and family, older people or learning disability services). While it is expected that trainees will continue to undertake core placements and a specialist placement, there may be some changes as to how these are arranged over the three years.
(19:14:36) ebeck: Ok, thank you. Can you say a little about 'specialist placement': what would make a placement 'specialist'? Is it specialist in the sense that a service might be specialist, such as a service for young people with eating disorders? Or is it more that the trainee by then has an idea of the area they'd like to go into, so might take a second placement in children and family, because that is where they would like to specialise after qualifying?
(19:15:50) ChatBot: laurajane1994 logs into the Chat.
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(19:19:10) clinlecturer: Specialist refers to either the client group or the modality of working (e.g. the modal used). Trainees can select from a range of placements although obviously we cannot guarantee these if more than one trainee selects them. Trainees often select specialist placements in an area they are interested in working in. However, they can also use this as an opportunity to gain experience of area that is quite new and unfamiliar to them
(19:20:37) ebeck: I see, thank you. So it really is a specialist placement because something about the client group or way of working with the client group isSorry, I'm sure you'd like to talk about more than selection procedures, it's like I cannot see any mention of doing any written exercises once at intervew
(19:21:28) ebeck: Sorry, let me correct that. I see, thank you. So it really is a specialist placement because something about the client group or way of working with the client group is a bit more niche than CAMHS or adult ATS...
(19:22:54) ebeck: And then secondly, I wanted to ask again about selection. I know we must all seem very preoccupied with selection, but it's a bit like at antenatal classes, you're obsessed with the birth and think much less about life having a baby, because the birth feels like such a big thing to go through. I was just wondering about whether there is still to be a written test once at interview stage, or if that is no longer being used....
(19:24:09) clinlecturer: Short-listed candidates are invited to attend a day selection procedure that will take place on either the 16, 17 or 18 April 2018 that includes tasks assessing academic, clinical, professional, personal and communication skills.
(19:28:44) ebeck: Thank you for offering this session and for taking the time and trouble to answer all our questions. It's much appreciated.
(19:30:12) clinlecturer: Its been a pleasure - thank you for taking the time to post your questions. I'll put a copy of the transcript up on the forum website for anyone who couldn't make it this evening. Good luck with you application!
(19:30:27) clinlecturer: We are signing off now - byeeee
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Re: Update! Surrey Course LiveChat 13/11/17 17.30 - 19.30

Postby Victoriomantic » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:49 pm

Thank you so much ebeck for all the thoughtful questions - and to clinpsylecturer/Surrey for the opportunity and transcript. It's very much appreciated :)
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Re: Update! Surrey Course LiveChat 13/11/17 17.30 - 19.30

Postby lakeland » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:23 pm

Only two people bothered to go to the LiveChat? I'm surprised.
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