overseas trained clinical psychologist - HPC registration

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International Route to HPC Registration

Postby Felicity_CC » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:21 am

Hi,
I am an Australian Clinical Psychologist who completed a doctorate of Clinical Psychology in 2006 (in Australia) and have 4 years experience in the Australian mental health system following this. I am currently living in the UK and am about to submit my application to the HPC via the international route. Do any overseas trained clin psychs have any experience with this? It was my understanding that HPC registration was a slightly more accessible route to registration (rather than the Statement of Equivalence through the BPS which can take years) but I have also heard that for clin psychs with Masters degrees, more training, exams and possible research is expected for HPC reg to be granted. I am wondering if this also applies for clin psychs who have completed a doctorate. I would appreciate any thoughts on the topic. Thanks.
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overseas trained clinical psychologist - HPC registration

Postby skfraser » Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:59 am

Hi
just wondered if there are any Australian trained clinical psychologists out there who have successfully gained HPC registration?
I am English but went to Aus for 5 years were I completed a DPscyh (Clinical) at the University of Melbourne. After working for 6 months in Melbourne I returned to live in the UK in Jan 2010. I applied to the HPC in Jan and after a problem with a permanent UK address received my registration assessment in July 2010. I have been asked for further evidence of experience and knowledge in Adult, LD and Older adult - which I have duly sent. I have GBR and have also gained Chartered status with the BPS (but don't think that this means so much now that the HPC have taken over accreditation?).
I am waiting for the next response from the HPC - which should be here any day now. However I just wondered if anyone had any ideas as to what i should do if I don't get HPC particularly as there is no longer any So E courses. cheers
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same position as you!

Postby skfraser » Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:01 pm

Oh, just found Felicity's post.

In the same position as you were/are with the HPC - how did you get on? are you registered now and if so how? Submitted my stuff to the HPC Feb, was asked for further verification of knowledge/experience in July and now awaiting outcome. not sure how to proceed now! what happened for you? do you now any others in similar position? cheers
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Postby bduns » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:39 pm

Hi!

I'm in the same position as you - I completed my DPsych at RMIT and have worked in adolescent services for the past 3 years. I submitted my HPC forms in July, they requested further verification about the same three areas, which I sent them in Dec, and I'm still waiting on a reply about my application.

Hoping to hear that you were successful and if you have any ideas about how to hurry them along?
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Re: International Route to HPC Registration

Postby DanielPsych » Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:55 am

So how did you go on the HPC registration?

I'm a Psychologist in Australia, I have completed Bachelors, Honours and combined Masters/PhD in clinical psychology. I submitted my HPC registration documents and they were recieved on the 7th of Feb 2013, so i expect to here some feedback sometime after May.

I'm expecting the outcome to be either- Provide more info, do more training or yes i can be fully HPC registered.

I'd like to know how other people's HPC registration went who were trained in Auz.
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Re: overseas trained clinical psychologist - HPC registratio

Postby lucymcg » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:47 am

Hi everyone,

I am writing to see how you all got on with your applications to the HPC, and if you have any advice about this process?

I'm just finishing up my DPsych in Australia and was hoping to head over to the UK towards the end of this year. I may be being totally over-optimistic, but I thought I would apply to the HPC for CP registration! In terms of experience, I've only got the placements that we did as part of our training, as well as paid work for a youth mental health service that I undertook whilst studying. I've not had clinical experience in working with older adults or people with intellectual disabilities.

Would be great to know if any new grads from overseas have attempted to do this, and if anyone has any advice for me about the application process and what extra training/supervised practice I may have to do if the HPC will even consider my application!

Thanks very much,

Lucy
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Re: overseas trained clinical psychologist - HPC registratio

Postby DanielPsych » Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:48 am

Lucy

I am still yet to hear back from HPC- it reached them on the 7th of Feb and i don't expect anything back till end of June. So expect it to be a long time for them to reply to yours. All i can add- is wait until you have graduated and your uni stuff is all completed and signed off- then on your application provide as much detail as possible. In the mean time- get a job in Auz as a psychologist, if you don't you will be either waiting in Auz for HPC with no pay, or waiting in UK for HPC with no pay.

Once HPC replies back to me i will try and let you all know how things went
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Re: overseas trained clinical psychologist - HPC registratio

Postby lucymcg » Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:05 am

Thanks very much for that Daniel, and for the helpful advice. All the best with your application, what a long haul. Looking forward to hearing how it all goes.

Cheers,
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Re: overseas trained clinical psychologist - HPC registratio

Postby eponymous85 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:03 pm

lucymcg wrote:Hi everyone,

I am writing to see how you all got on with your applications to the HPC, and if you have any advice about this process?

I'm just finishing up my DPsych in Australia and was hoping to head over to the UK towards the end of this year. I may be being totally over-optimistic, but I thought I would apply to the HPC for CP registration! In terms of experience, I've only got the placements that we did as part of our training, as well as paid work for a youth mental health service that I undertook whilst studying. I've not had clinical experience in working with older adults or people with intellectual disabilities.

Would be great to know if any new grads from overseas have attempted to do this, and if anyone has any advice for me about the application process and what extra training/supervised practice I may have to do if the HPC will even consider my application!

Lucy


Good luck with the application Lucy. Just a few words about experience, CP competencies in the UK include working across the lifespan and across the range of cognitive/intellectual ability, so it's possible you may have to do some extra supervised practice before you can register. I haven't personally been through this process though so may be wrong. I wonder if anyone else can shed light on this?
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Re: overseas trained clinical psychologist - HPC registratio

Postby Borrowed Cone » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:48 pm

My understanding, informed by an immediate connection who had to do this, is that you will have to demonstrate competencies across the lifespan and ability range. This will include older adults and disabilities (though the requirement for it to be specifically "learning" / "intellectual" disability work is more flexible, I think). Do let us know what the HCPC say though. Good luck!

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Re: overseas trained clinical psychologist - HPC registratio

Postby DanielPsych » Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:55 am

Here is the update on my application

I handed in my application for clinical psychologist registration on the 1st of Feb and they received it on the 7th of Feb. By their estimates I should have had feedback by the 30th of May however I received their feedback on the 24th of June and it arrived in my location on the 4th of July.

When they have done the assessment you get sent a "Record of Assessment" that describes their decisions. First they look at your principal qualifications yes/no at meeting the HCPC standards. Mine was No because although I have had over 900hrs of clinical work with Adults, Children and Older-Adults, I have had little experience with Learning Disabilities.

Then they look your other education and training experiences to see if that makes up the gaps- also a Yes/No with regards to meeting the standards of proficiency. I didn't have anything extra that fills the tick boxes so they then look at the next option: Further verification.

I was asked (given the opportunity) to provide more details regarding my knowledge and experience with Learning Disabilities. This has to be submitted within 60 days, which I will work on today. All I have to add is greater detail regarding what i learnt and my minimal clinical contact with LD and then send it off. They didn't ask for further verification from my Uni so I'm assuming they don't need that. I don't have much more to add than what I sent off with my original application but it seems like they give the option of providing more info.

Then from there they will send that info on to the original assessors who then make another recommendation Yes/No to the Education and Training Committee. They gave no estimate as to how long that will take- I'm expecting another 6 months. Then they will either say Yes I meet the standards or No I need to undergo a test of competence- which could be anything from more assignments to clinical placements. So I will have to wait and see.

I made my original application super detailed, it was pages long. I suggest others do the same with their International Application. For Aussies it is clear that you need experience with children, adults, older adults and learning disabilities. If you are missing in any of those you will be in the same position I am. Given that most Aussie degrees only have 3 placements as apposed to 4 we are naturally at a bit of a disadvantage.

I am currently working in a remote Australian town and it isn't for me so I've thrown caution into the wind and will be moving to England anyway. But because of the HCPC decision I am limited to research positions and assistant psychologist positions. So I hope i have better luck at getting one of those jobs when i am actually there, because i'm not having much luck from Australia. Some jobs I applied for I am over qualified and I didn't even get offered a Skype interview. So I might end up working in Tescos for six months and living in a London hostel, who knows. Will have to see what the future brings.
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Re: overseas trained clinical psychologist - HPC registratio

Postby Pink » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:24 am

Hi Daniel,

this is a bit of a thread derail so apologies. I don't know if you've seen this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=14171&p=129421&hilit=australia#p129421

but the impression I had from it is that things are much better for CPs in Aus than they are here, in financial terms at least, and also in security of career progression (I don't know if you've read any of the threads about how things are in the NHS just now). However, from your posts it seems as though you feel the grass is greener over here. If you have time, could you set some of our misconceptions about Aussie CP straight?

many thanks,

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Re: overseas trained clinical psychologist - HPC registratio

Postby DanielPsych » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:35 am

I haven't worked in the UK as a CP so i can't compare it to Australia but here is my 2 cents worth on being a CP in Australia.

Financially with the dollar the way it is you would earn more money in Australia, but cost of living is high and housing is very high so in some ways it evens out. Here is divided into clinical psychologist without their specialist title (clinical) and they are just psychologists. to get the extra title you need an extra 2yrs of supervision while you are working. I won't bother with that unless i come back to Australia. Basically if you have the specialist title you get paid more. There is also so much variation in CP work in Australia, non-for-profit, government, private practice etc... also I am working in a remote Australian town with 2500 people in it and that is a whole different experience to working in the city.

Therefore personally, i think focusing on career security and money is a bit folly. Focus on where you want to live your life. Find somewhere you love and then make it work from there. Being a CP we/you can work anywhere there are people. So find a place you love. For me, i don't think Australia (i've lived both rural and in the city) is for me right now so i want to do some travel until i find a place i am willing to work. If i find a place i want to be for a few years then i will find work in the UK as an Assistant psych, researcher or at Tesco's if need be. I can't take money to the grave but i can take my experiences, so that is what matters. I guess my view is tainted by the fact that i have had security and money in a place i absolutely hate- that is why i know it is more important to love where you live and then build from there. Also you have to leave a place in order to put it in perspective. So maybe in 5yrs i will have a better answer on Australia vs UK for CP prospects.
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Re: overseas trained clinical psychologist - HPC registratio

Postby DanielPsych » Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:54 am

Just an update on how things panned out so that other Australian trained psychologist can have some idea of what to expect.

A recap- I applied for HCPC registration from Australia in Feb 2013. I didn't hear back until July 2013 and they requested more information about my experience with Learning Disorders. Since then....

So I sent of a copy of almost all that i had read at university and a log of all LD clients i had worked with and crossed my fingers. I took the gamble and decided to move to the UK irrespective of my HCPC registration. So I had been looking at research work to get me through because i was expecting to be told that I would need to do an additional placement with LD down the track. However, HCPC got back to me towards the end of September and told me that I could pay the fee and be a fully registered clinical psychologist in the UK. A huge relief. So now i can return to doing what i love doing, psychotherapy as apposed to full-time research. I hope to return to part-time research when i'm ready though.

Each international application is different and we have all had different experiences, so just because i managed to get through doesn't mean that everyone from Australia will. Nevertheless, my advice is to apply from Australia, send of literally everything you think might be relevant and expect to get a letter back in 6-8months asking for more information about something. Again, send off everything you possibly can that you think is relevant and hope for the best. Then wait to hear back again, 2-6months. Then make your decisions about getting HCPC work or another placement/whatever they require of you to get HCPC registration. The gamble to move to the UK without HCPC registration luckily paid off for me, but it was tied with some anxiety on my part. So i'd recommend staying employed in Australia until you have your HCPC registration.

Anyways, good luck to all fellow Australians wanting to practice in the UK.
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Re: overseas trained clinical psychologist - HPC registratio

Postby lucymcg » Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:03 am

Hey Daniel,

Wow, sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you. I've been stuck in the land of thesis, something I'm sure you'll identify with.

Congratulations on getting registered, that's fantastic news. I hope getting a job in the UK has gone well for you and that you're enjoying your time over there, good on you for all your persistence with it!

All your help has been much appreciated, and I'll certainly take it on board when I apply.

Thanks again,

Lucy
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