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Post by just looking » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:19 pm

miriam wrote:I prefer "street magic" that involves sleight of hand and cold-reading to those tricks that involve camera trickery and special effects... but I kind of think half the fun of magic is in spotting (or trying to spot) how it is done :D

Agreed, I enjoy close-up tricks much more - like David Blaine before he went barmy.


But I have to say, Derren Brown is a fantastic entertainer.

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Post by Psychological » Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:47 pm

So did anyone get glued to their seat tonight?

I didn't...


I did find the stuff beforehand about perception without awareness interesting. Does anyone know any more about it?

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Post by damnsaiyan » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:17 am

Nope! I don't really know anyone who did. But my brother did say it happened to him (I wasn't there when he watched).

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Post by Jem88 » Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:20 pm

I really love Derren Brown. I can see how a lot of people don't, but it's important to realise that most of the 'tricks' he does is actually all down to misdirection and 'hidden messages' in the environment, proving that as humans we find it inescapable to be influenced by the tiniest of hints in the world around us.

I seen him a couple of months ago and if I'm being honest, I can see how he does a few of his acts, but most of them just bewilder me. He done something really similar to the 'stuck to the chair' thing and it worked on me. Last night I did struggle to get up off my chair - my legs felt really heavy and I had a little bit of pins and needles.

Overall, I think hes a a really cool, intelligent, guy.

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Post by postgraduate » Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:30 pm

I enjoy some of what he does-I think his memory for items and events is something else but I do, at times, think he is playing a dangerous game. I think we are more delicate than he gives us credit for and to play with our consciousness/unconsciousness in some of the events he has been holding leaves me feeling a little apprehensive. I dont know, I think he needs to take a little more responsibility for what he does and the possible effects it could have on the recipients.

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Post by Kentucky_Freud_Chicken » Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:11 pm

To be honest PG, I dont think he has quite the mystical power over peoples subconcious as he makes out. The stuff he does basically boils down to stage hypnotism (which is really just people going along with the act because they want to), misdirection and parlour tricks, using pop-psychology as a bogus explaination that is believeable but impressive. I like the guys act, I really think he carries it off well, but I think its more smoke and mirrors (and wires and things up his sleeve amd split screen etc) than he lets on. I reckon he's even prone to a bit of audience planting, you can impress with any cheap trick you like if people think it's down to the 'power of the mind'!
He undoubtably has some impressive skills regarding memory, but I don't believe for a minute that he can actually get people to draw a specific picture by 'implanting ideas', or guess what it is they'll draw by having a 10 second conversation with them! It's just an impressive explaination that misleads from a more mundane reality, which after all is all magic is.

As an example of how simple some of the tricks are, heres an explaination for one of his more recent tricks where he 'guessed' what questions the audience had written in unopened envelopes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billet_reading

His book is excellent though, I really reccomend it.

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Post by miriam » Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:14 pm

:D :D :D that's so simple when you know how!

His Devil's Picturebook instrutional video on how to do card tricks is his best work IMHO.
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Post by Ruthie » Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:07 am

I think his current stuff is great fun but was most disappointed not to be stuck to my chair. I think it had a bit of a delayed effect on me - I was definitely stuck in my bed on Saturday morning! :lol:

I don't think he has any magical powers over anyone's mind - conscious or unconscious. These sorts of "forces" are at work in every day life - authority, power, leadership, suggestion, group conformity etc. for good or for ill. The thing he does is make it explicit afterwards (although he was totally lying about the lottery thing...deep maths :roll:...it is a shame as I would like to know how he actually did it!)

Some of his older stuff left me with a bit of a sour taste - the faking someone's death didn't sit comfortably with me, as I mentioned earlier on this thread. But the current stuff is just a lot of fun.

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Post by Gilly » Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:22 am

Ruthie wrote:(although he was totally lying about the lottery thing...deep maths :roll:...it is a shame as I would like to know how he actually did it!)

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I was shouting at the television during his "deep maths" explanation :P

http://poeljames.googlepages.com/HowDerrenDidIt.html

this is the best thing ive seen as to explaining how he did his lottery trick, if you're interested :)

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Post by rox » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:26 pm

Gilly. wrote:
Ruthie wrote:(although he was totally lying about the lottery thing...deep maths :roll:...it is a shame as I would like to know how he actually did it!)

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I was shouting at the television during his "deep maths" explanation :P

http://poeljames.googlepages.com/HowDerrenDidIt.html

this is the best thing ive seen as to explaining how he did his lottery trick, if you're interested :)
I was shouting (mostly "irrelevant!") during the wisdom of crowds bit!

That explanation is quite compelling, but what a disappointment :(

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Post by Shooting_Star » Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:27 pm

That is a very good explanation of the trick...

I must admit that I do love Derren Brown. I think his shows provide great entertainment. And really thats what he is, an entertainer.

I went to see his live Enigma tour and it was absolutely fantastic! I even got to go up on stage for one of his 'tricks'. To be honest it boggles my mind to this day how he done it. I had so many people coming up after asking if I was an actor or a stooge!

I didn't get stuck to my seat on friday though :(

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Post by Gilly » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:03 pm

anyone watch it last night?

Just very "meh" - not really even interesting

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Post by postgraduate » Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:27 pm

I watched it last night and thought it was quite obvious-disappointing to be honest :(

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Post by Gilly » Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:00 pm

well the roulette one was absolute rubbish.

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Post by rox » Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:48 pm

I was left quite confused by last night's roulette one. Why did it just finish like that? Surely if he'd got it right, he'd have wanted a minute or two to congratulate himself and the lucky winner?

And did anyone else think he (and the 'casino') was in the second lorry, and wonder why they didn't just park it round the corner to stop us wondering what was in it?

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