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Any advice on a shorter route?

Post by yana19790 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:38 pm

Hello all

Sorry for such a long post, just bear with me! thanks
Writing here after more than a year trying to secure an assistant psychologist position and become desperate that I will never able to go via this route to a clinical doctorate. Hoping to get some advice on an alternative route to sensible job/practice here or may be find someone who will be able to sit/via skype or anyhow with me and go through my qualifications/experience to give advice on how to find a short term/less expensive route to progress my career (not free of course, but as paid consultation).
I am a clinical psychologist trained while doing my clinical psychologist PhD abroad (while working as an assistant psychologist/lecturer in University, also privately etc). Here I have been awarded chartered status by the BPS and did a Research master in Cognitive Neuropsychology (here in the UK) since then. I have a 2 years part time clinical research assistant experience here after the master, but then 2 years ago I went to give birth to my second child. The contract finished 2 years ago and since then I can't find anything sensible, just do some part-time teaching kids my language on Sundays and shortly worked for a charity with ASD teenagers. Although I have had a couple of private clients in these couple of years who come mostly through a BPS directory of chartered psychologists, I don't dare to hire an office or anything as not sure I could work completely independently yet in this country and the amount of clients will be sufficient without the HCPC registration. I seem to never be able to secure an AP interview, perhaps because my career route is so unusual! The companies, who offer to edit the CV just don't get all the specifics of the profession, so are not useful.

Is there anyone here, who is able to help? My knowledge and experience is not something to loose!! I also considered a CBT specialisation but already spent money on a master and after 2 years of not fully working much am not able to pay to go via a private route of learning it... Help, please :)

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Re: Any advice on a shorter route?

Post by workingmama » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:17 pm

Hello Yana,

Can you tell me whether you have applied to the DClinPsy yet, and if so how far have you got with that? As you'll be aware, courses that confer the title of Clinical Psychologist in other countries can be very different to the training required in the UK to work in this role, and it can take a bit of experience gathering here to be able to be ready to apply. It sounds like you have the GBR with the BPS and a relevant UK masters, plus 2 years of RA experience. How much clinical experience do you have?
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Re: Any advice on a shorter route?

Post by yana19790 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:50 pm

Hello:)

I have never tried to apply exactly because I feel I don’t have enough consistent psychology experience in this country. I have a chartered membership, so I assume I have a GBR. My RA was part time and finished two years ago. It was clinically related, as I was assessing OCD patients. Also my PHD was basically done in a hospital with IBS patients, while doing this I worked 7 years in my university clinical psychology department as an assistant psychologist, so had experience with all kinds of mental health patients, but this was more than 10 years ago. As a chartered psychologist, I sometimes take referrals to do assessments. I’ve had career breaks when raising my children, and now am able to work full time! Thanks

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Re: Any advice on a shorter route?

Post by ryan95 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:23 pm

I would apply for the dclin by the sounds of it you have great clinical experience, if you are working with mental health related cases in clinic settings and doing assessments. This is all stuff which makes your application stand out when applying. I would just add into your person statement everything you have experienced what you have learnt and why you had career breaks etc. It’s all reflective practice which will also boost your application. Hope this helps

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Re: Any advice on a shorter route?

Post by maven » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:43 pm

yana19790 wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:38 pm
I am a clinical psychologist
I'm sympathetic to your position, but that is an unlawful statement in the UK as you do not have HCPC registration. I strongly suggest you do not use it again.
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Re: Any advice on a shorter route?

Post by yana19790 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:14 pm

Many thanks for your replies, very much appreciated.

Maven, by writing "clinical psychologist" i was not referring to my professional status, but more to my education. I understand the low side of this issue and never actually introduce myself as clinical psychologist anywhere in the UK. Was just trying to explain more about my education and background. Clinical psychology - is exactly what I what doing in my native country and what my PhD was about.
Ryan, many thanks for the advice. Unfortunately I do not work in clinical settings at the moment, although I am in the directory of chartered psychologists and have sometimes people coming to me, including people with various mental health problems. Despite me writing multiple time to BPS asking for any kind of direction on what I am allowed/not allowed to do with this people being not HCPC registered, I get response that it's up to me if I just don't call myself a clinical psychologist. Very confusing :? . There is no regulation on "chartered psychologist" status at the moment (or I can't find it)... and it is also difficult to find yourself an organisation you can belong to with this status, as they either need HCPC registration or find me overqualified. I probably need to consider other routes where I can transfer my skills without loosing them.

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Re: Any advice on a shorter route?

Post by maven » Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:07 am

yana19790 wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:14 pm
Maven, by writing "clinical psychologist" i was not referring to my professional status, but more to my education. I understand the low side of this issue and never actually introduce myself as clinical psychologist anywhere in the UK. Was just trying to explain more about my education and background. Clinical psychology - is exactly what I what doing in my native country and what my PhD was about.
Then you need to write that you have done a Phd in clinical psychology in another country, not claim to be a clinical psychologist on a UK forum when you do not have HCPC registration.
yana19790 wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:14 pm
Unfortunately I do not work in clinical settings at the moment, although I am in the directory of chartered psychologists and have sometimes people coming to me, including people with various mental health problems. Despite me writing multiple time to BPS asking for any kind of direction on what I am allowed/not allowed to do with this people being not HCPC registered, I get response that it's up to me if I just don't call myself a clinical psychologist. Very confusing :? . There is no regulation on "chartered psychologist" status at the moment (or I can't find it)... and it is also difficult to find yourself an organisation you can belong to with this status, as they either need HCPC registration or find me overqualified. I probably need to consider other routes where I can transfer my skills without loosing them.
Sadly, there is no legislation regulating the delivery of psychological therapies, just regulating the use of protected titles. So if you want to work privately and people want to pay you for your services that wouldn't be unlawful, even if you have no psychology or therapy qualifications at all - provided you do not break the advertising standards rules by claiming expertise or efficacy that you don't have, or the laws about protected titles.

Personally I think it is necessary for the government to introduce regulation of all therapy services to protect the public and ensure there are quality controls on all forms of psychological therapies that go beyond voluntary memberships.
Maven.

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The fool thinks himself to be wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool - Shakespeare

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Re: Any advice on a shorter route?

Post by Geishawife » Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:15 pm

I think you should consider casting your net a bit wider and applying for jobs other than Assistant Psychologist. You already have some pretty good experience, but what seems lacking is familiarity with the UK health services and supervision from a CP. There are many different roles you can undertake to get the former and you can seek guidance and supervision from a CP whilst doing them. As has been said more times than enough on this site, an AP post is NOT necessary to apply for the Clinical Doctorate. Many people get on without ever having been an AP. Have a look at the "What Experience" thread at the top of the Clinical Doctorate Application page and it will give you an idea of the wide variety of roles people have undertaken and then apply for any and every clinically relevant job you see, reflecting on your current level of experience to demonstrate why you are suitable for the role.

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