Applying with the Double Tick system

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Studentin11
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Applying with the Double Tick system

Post by Studentin11 » Sun May 14, 2017 2:47 pm

Does anyone have experience of applying with the double tick system? From all I've read, dyslexia would count, and I'm quite severely dyslexic. I don't want to disadvantage my application next year by seeming like I'm trying to get around any competition by using the double tick system, though.

Does anyone have any experience using the system? And does anyone have a complete list of courses that use it? If not, I was thinking of making one.

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Re: Applying with the Double Tick system

Post by RJParker » Sun May 14, 2017 3:07 pm

My question would be would you actually want to go to a programme that thought the double tick scheme was an attempt to get around competition?

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Re: Applying with the Double Tick system

Post by lingua_franca » Sun May 14, 2017 3:51 pm

I have never applied for the DClinPsy, but I have experienced your worry about using the double-tick system, and I just wanted to offer you some reassurance on that.

A lot of negative attitudes and stereotypes get bandied around about disability - "scroungers out for whatever they can get", "we didn't have these fancy labels for every problem when I was young, then you were just thick", and so on. Then there is all the inspiration porn that suggests it's OK to be disabled providing you can compete in the Paralympics/be Stephen Hawking/draw architectural plans of buildings after one glance...but only then. If you're not an absolute superstar then you're obviously inadequate and taking a job from a much better qualified person under some dodgy affirmative action scheme. In this climate it's inevitable that disabled people start to view ourselves in an anxious or over-critical light, and I'm seeing that in your post. If you have got a First or a good 2:i in psychology with severe dyslexia, then you have already demonstrated a lot of qualities and capabilities that are relevant to clinical psychology or any advanced level study - perseverance, honing your study and research skills and being aware of what works for you, et cetera. You've also already overcome barriers that many other applicants won't have had to face, so how could you possibly be ducking out of competition? You need to trust that the selectors will understand this, and if they don't, as RJParker says, would you want to be training on their course? I know from experience that it's impossible to uproot all these ideas and worries from your head, but try to challenge them when they do pop up, and be kind to yourself.
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Re: Applying with the Double Tick system

Post by Studentin11 » Sun May 14, 2017 7:02 pm

RJ, my worry is that the assessors may not hold the same views as the institution as a whole. And thank you Lingua, that is really reassuring. You've pretty much summed up how I have always felt about it, glad to know that I'm not the only one who has felt that way.

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Re: Applying with the Double Tick system

Post by RJParker » Sun May 14, 2017 8:49 pm

Studentin11 wrote:RJ, my worry is that the assessors may not hold the same views as the institution as a whole. And thank you Lingua, that is really reassuring. You've pretty much summed up how I have always felt about it, glad to know that I'm not the only one who has felt that way.
My experiences of working with many of the programmes are that negative attitudes are extremely rare. I'd very much encourage you and others to declare disabilities.

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Re: Applying with the Double Tick system

Post by Randomswirls » Mon May 15, 2017 12:50 pm

Hello

I've applie under the two tick scheme for the last couple of years.

The weird thing is that you never know if you get an interview because you are good enough or because you have ticked the box and I think that is something that in a way has potentially dented my confidence however once at interview it's down to you and down to your performance.

The 1st year I applied to one two tick university and i got an interview however this year I didn't get an interview at that uni so not sure what happened!

This year I also applied to a uni which offers the scheme but this depends on you getting a certain score and I assume I didn't get above the score?

I do have one interview at a uni that doesn't seem to offer the scheme but at the same time it's ambiguous.

I do have a list of all the unis that offer the scheme and will send it over to you if you message me your email address

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Re: Applying with the Double Tick system

Post by RJParker » Mon May 15, 2017 1:05 pm

I'm sure programmes will be happy to give you information on why you were shortlisted and if it involved use of the scheme if you ask them.

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Re: Applying with the Double Tick system

Post by Hockeygirl » Mon May 15, 2017 1:22 pm

In the four years I have applied, I have always used the double tick system. I often wondered if this was the reason I frequently gain interviews, especially with certain universities.

However, I have never seen it as a "disadvantage". I have a chronic unseen health condition, I did not tell one employer recently and it lead to me being very poorly, and missing more days off work than I normally would, upon disclosing it to my supervisor, they stated that they wished they had known so that they could ensure the necessary adjustments were put in place for me (i.e., extra sick days, or the chance to work from home when I could).

I don't see my disability as a negative, and I'm not sure I would want to study somewhere that see it as a disadvantage. I declare it so that I feel I am being open and honest. I know that I will occasionally have to leave placements early due to hospital appointments, but I always offer to work the hours missed (however, no supervisor has ever made me do this so far), I feel that by declaring it, I'm making people aware that actually, I can do my job despite my illness, and it shows a greater level of determination and personal strength.

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Re: Applying with the Double Tick system

Post by anniecat » Tue May 16, 2017 8:39 am

HI there

I very much relate to the OP's concerns about using the Double Tick scheme and feeling like I would be somehow exploiting the system (even though I have a disability that has had and has a significant effect on my life).

Because of that, the first time I made an application I did not tick the disability box. That year I got three interviews and a reserve interview that didn't turn into an interview. I messed all the interviews up big time but it was a start. I think a lot of that was about feeling not good enough given I did not do well academically at 'the right age'.

The second year I applied I thought very hard about whether to reveal my disability and chose to do so. I did not do that because I thought it would confer any advantage but for personal reasons. For me, and this is just my personal experience, I was aware that I had a lot of shame (and some other feelings) particularly around my disability and also about my lack of educational attainment earlier in my life. My decision to tick the box was more about me being okay with me - self-perceived warts and all - than thinking it would bestow any advantage in the process. Admittedly I was happier doing that knowing that I had been considered suitable for interview without doing so. That year, I was only able to attend one of the interviews I was offered because my health played up - and I was not offered a place.

This year, my third attempt, I have been offered two places and am in the crazy privileged position of having a choice.

My own experience is that I have got past thinking ticking the disability box is somehow exploiting the system.
There is still a competitive process here - as someone else said, at interview it is a level playing field. In fact what often happens is the ratio of interviewees per place increases at double tick places so it is in some ways harder (I think I am right on that...don't quote me on it...) Also, most unis that have the scheme do still need people to hit certain targets in shortlisting and many only offer a limited number of interview places to double tick applicants. As someone else said they got an interview one year and not the next - I assume that may have been because there were other higher scoring two tick applicants this year.

Also, personally I would prefer to train at an institution that acknowledges the challenges disability brings and works to develop as inclusive a recruitment process as possible. As a profession we are quite rightly talking about widening access - surely that must apply to all types of 'difference'. I do find it quite bizarre that some institutions that are spearheading widening access schemes in some respects do NOT offer a double tick scheme.

Those are just my thoughts and experience of course and I realise people may have their own and different views on this.

Good luck to everyone who is either waiting to start a course in the autumn, on a reserve list or still waiting to interview.

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Re: Applying with the Double Tick system

Post by chixta » Thu May 18, 2017 8:26 pm

My opinion is based on my personal experience, but I stopped using the double tick system for my disabilities a few years ago. You might ask why. In my experience, it meant my form was scrutinised more intently than when I didn't use it. As a result, I found that I didn't get interviews with two ticks where prior to using two ticks, I sent identical forms to near identical jobs and got interviews. I don't mean to sound cynical, but I don't feel that two ticks is beneficial. All it means is that your form is held up to closer scrutiny, and as a result, I felt, I was less able to be shortlisted than I had been previously, despite having more experience.

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Re: Applying with the Double Tick system

Post by Tea4me » Sat May 27, 2017 10:46 am

Hockeygirl wrote: they stated that they wished they had known so that they could ensure the necessary adjustments were put in place for me (i.e., extra sick days, or the chance to work from home when I could).
I'd second this. I have applied for several years, some without the double tick scheme, as I was worried about the stigma attached to using this, and also several years using the double tick scheme. In my opinion I don't think it makes much difference during the application stage or interview stages other than putting the necessary adjustments needed in place for interview, and certainly doesn't give you an 'advantage' over other applicants. I've even talked about these adjustments at interview as a means of personal reflection and awareness of my strengths and weaknesses and this was very welcomed.
RJParker wrote:I'm sure programmes will be happy to give you information on why you were shortlisted and if it involved use of the scheme if you ask them.
I'd recommend doing this... and frankly any course is not prepared provide information or to discuss how they could accommodate any needs you may have, I think is a reflection of how you'd be treated as a trainee on a course!

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