Part time training

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Part time training

Post by ACW » Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:57 pm

I wondered what (if any) flexible working people have come across on dclinpsy courses? I am concerned that taking the course full time may be difficult given caring responsibilities. As trusts are obliged to consider flexible working for trainees as for any employees, I thought I'd ask what success people had had in securing this, and how it worked in practice (eg how many days to placement/teaching etc)? Lancaster looks like a course that might be especially amenable to part time options -- does anyone know about other courses? Feel free to PM me if you like. Thank you!

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Re: Part time training

Post by RJParker » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:54 am

For those not aware, Lancaster will be offering a formalised part time route commencing in 2020. Although we currently support trainees in flexible working, we feel that the dedicated route will provide a structure that gives people taking this option more support. Our hope is that it will also encourage people to apply who had previously chosen not to as they felt that full time training was not a practical option for them.

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Re: Part time training

Post by ACW » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:32 pm

Thanks for your comment, RJParker. Would you be able to provide any details about how the Lancaster part time path may work in practice? Thank you!

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Re: Part time training

Post by RJParker » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:26 am

Until we have finalised the details with the university and stakeholders, I can't give precise details. However, it will be a set FTE which can be compressed into a short number of days per week to allow for portfolio working or spread out over a full week to allow for reduced hours per day. The full time and part time routes are directly equivalent in all aspects with identical teaching, assessment, study time and time on placement - they are simply different approaches to completing a DClinPsy to suit different individual circumstances and/or preferences.

As soon as we have confirmed the details they will be posted on our website. These will obviously be available before applications open in September this year so that people can make informed decisions. If anyone wants to talk about this route, feel free to drop me an email or give me a ring - contact details are on our website!

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Re: Part time training

Post by ell » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:30 am

Go Lancaster. It's about time someone put the effort into working this one out. Can't have been easy to arrange, but it's important and a long time coming.

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Re: Part time training

Post by RJParker » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:21 pm

I just wanted to flag some information which I've had a few queries about. Understandably, people are wondering if applying for the part time route at Lancaster reduces their chance of obtaining a place and if they should apply for full time instead due to the different number of places available for each route. I've therefore put together a full explanation of how offers are made to applicants on the two routes to show why you should just apply for the one which fits your circumstances because you'll get an offer of a full time place even if the part time places are filled by other applicants.

Our funders (Health Education England) have placed a cap of 6 places on the part time (PT) route in order to trial the process and assess demand for this approach. As such we do not have any flexibility to increase places on this route.

The selections process is identical for both routes. At no point are arbitrary value judgements made about who is ‘deserving’ of a PT place – selection continues to be based solely on an individual’s potential for clinical psychology training. We do not look at what route people have applied for until after we have chosen our top 24 applicants at interview. At this point there are a few potential outcomes: -

Exactly 6 people in the top 24 scorers at interview applied for a PT place: -
  • All people in the top 24 get a place on their chosen route
Fewer than 6 people in the top 24 scorers at interview applied for a PT place: -
  • All people in the top 24 get a place on their chosen route
  • The programme runs with a smaller PT cohort
More than 6 people in the top 24 scorers at interview applied for a PT place: -
  • We would offer the top 6 scoring PT applicants at interview a PT place
  • Those PT applicants in the top 24 but not in the top 6 PT applicants would have the option to take up a full time (FT) place or defer entry until the following year with a guaranteed PT place (although we would not be able to guarantee that funding arrangements would be the same at that point)
  • If more than 12 of the top 24 have applied for a PT place (meaning we would be unable to provide deferred places for all those who did not get a place immediately), those with the lowest scores would not be given the option to defer but would still be able to take up a FT place
  • PT applicants who accept a FT place will be expected to complete the programme on the FT route unless there is a significant change in their circumstances
Someone in the top 24 declines an offer or defers entry
  • If this opens up a PT place, we would first offer this to any applicants in the top 24 who had originally applied for a PT place but had chosen FT or deferral (in order of interview score)
  • We will then offer to the next person on the reserve list following any changes to the PT cohort list
  • If the applicant being offered to from the reserve list is a PT applicant and no PT places exist, the process outlined above would be followed
This will all go on our website now too (on the part time page under applicants).

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Re: Part time training

Post by Spatch » Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:04 pm

This is such a positive development and it's been a long time coming. While many trainees do end up doing their training part time, it's often highly reactive to things like illness or maternity leave, and it's great that a route is being put together that is part time from the ground up. Like Ell says, well done to Lancaster for doing the hard work to set that up, and to my mind it continues to be one of the more progressive courses in a lot ways. It would also be great in the future if someone was to write about their experiences on such part time routes and their reflections on the journey.

While I imagine that a lot of people may be drawn to that route for parenting/carer responsibilities, I personally can see how it may potentially open up a future route for a joint DClinPsy/PhD which would be an awesome development and probably bring us into line with some of the American training courses.
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Re: Part time training

Post by mungle » Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:23 pm

It's great to see a part time route starting and I hope it is the start of many more. I've come across so many people who ruled out CP as a profession as they could not train part-time and I hope it will help with diversity and self-care within the profession.

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