2:2 and AP post experience- is it enough for a doctorate??

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2:2 and AP post experience- is it enough for a doctorate??

Post by SurayaRoshan » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:58 pm

I have graduated this year with a 2:2 (57) psych and counselling degree (BPS accredited).. I have been working as a LD/challenging behaviour support worker for almost 2 years and I have just been accepted as an AP at an autism specialist residential home.

I know the entry grade is 2:1 but what are my chances of getting onto a clinpsy doctorate if I build my experience up?

Would it be better going onto a masters course?

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Re: 2:2 and AP post experience- is it enough for a doctorate

Post by Geishawife » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:57 pm

I'm afraid that with just the 2:2 there are very few courses that will consider your application. Lancaster is one (might be the only one, in fact, but don't quote me on that!). To maximise the number of courses you can apply to, I think you really will need to do an MSc. When deciding which MSc to do, be aware that some will be more highly regarded than others. For example, a research based MSc will probably carry more weight than a taught one, depending on the content of the degree. It is worth looking at the course descriptions on the Clearing House website to find out what the different courses say about the kinds of MSc that meet their criteria. Do continue to build your experience also - you have done well to get an AP post so make the most of that opportunity.

It is only fair to point out that having a 2:2 does make it harder for you to get a place, but it is certainly NOT impossible. Just be careful to study the course outlines in detail, undertake a "rigorous" MSc and then apply to those courses that might be more sympathetic to your position. Good luck.

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Re: 2:2 and AP post experience- is it enough for a doctorate

Post by SurayaRoshan » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:54 pm

I thought that would be the case.. I had my mind set on the Applied clinical psychology MSc at Uclan but that is a taught course not a research. I will have to have a look around and see which would look best on my application

thank you for your help

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Post by workingmama » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:54 am

Looks like a Masters is the only way forward (IMHO). Very best of luck, and well done on getting an AP post.
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Post by SurayaRoshan » Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:22 am

I know... I'll get there in the end :D thank you

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Re: 2:2 and AP post experience- is it enough for a doctorate??

Post by FelicityMorgan » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:10 am

I just wanted to add to this that I got a 2:2 at undergrad in an art based subject then years later (after 5 yrs mental health experience) decided to do the conversion MSc and got a distinction. Straight after the MSc I got an AP post and first time applying for the doctorate managed to get an interview at UCL. So it is possible but needless to say it might be a longer journey with a 2:2. My advice would be to reflect on what lead to you achieving a 2:2 and see what you can learn from that and do differently in the MSc. For me this was about my own mental health so learning about how to keep myself well during my MSc was a big part of that. And this is something I'm now prepared to talk about at interview.

I wish you the best of luck on your journey! It can be arduous and stressful at the best of times but ultimately it is a really rewarding career so worth going through the motions if you're really passionate about it! All the best! X

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Post by SurayaRoshan » Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:17 am

Thank you so much for your reply

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Post by Lancelot » Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:50 am

The reason they ask for 2:1, and a high 2:1 for some university, is that you have to produce doctoral level academic work. It can be very stressful for the trainee and markers to be constantly failing pieces of work and ultimately the course. Some courses will not let you on but some will with a masters if you can demonstrate a good grade. As Felicity stated it is important to reflect on what lead to you achieve a 2:2 and being really honest about this to yourself.

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Post by SurayaRoshan » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:40 am

Thank you for your help. Would you suggest reflecting on the 2:2 grade in the personal statement?

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Post by maven » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:01 am

I can see that it is now 18 months on from your original question. Is clinical psychology still your goal? If so, it might be helpful to know what experience you have gained since posting.

I think you'd need to pick very carefully if you want to apply for clinical training, as even with an MSc many courses will not consider an application with a 2:2 at undergrad. Bear in mind that with grade inflation 30-40% of graduates in psychology are getting 1sts, and about 50% getting a 2:1, and this means your grade puts you in the bottom 10-20% of psychology graduates. Compared this to the fact that about 4% of psychology graduates get on to clinical training, and you'll see the level of competition you are up against. That is why it is essential to demonstrate that you can manage the academic component of a doctoral level course. So my suggestion would be to do an MPhil or MSc by research if you can afford one, and then to find a research post and publish papers, but to really give some thought as to whether it is a masochistic career goal or whether you'd be equally happy doing something less competitive.
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Re: 2:2 and AP post experience- is it enough for a doctorate??

Post by Northernlad » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:39 pm

The Lancaster course doesn't have any specific requirements for applicants degree classification!

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Re: 2:2 and AP post experience- is it enough for a doctorate??

Post by SurayaRoshan » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:12 pm

Thank you for your input Maven, very informative. I will definitely get there one day. I will find a way :)

Thank you Northenlad. I have seen that. When I am ready to apply I will be applying to Lancaster

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