PWP Contractual obligation

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lottrum
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PWP Contractual obligation

Post by lottrum » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:09 pm

Hello,
I'm aware that in certain regions there's a contractual/learning agreement to stay working within a trust for a specified period of time after qualifying as a PWP - is this quite commonplace though? I appreciate that if a trust has invested money in a trainee then it's reasonable for the trainee to stay working within the trust afterwards!

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Re: PWP Contractual obligation

Post by hawke » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:56 pm

I've seen them from 6 months to 2 years on paper, but never actually enforced.

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Re: PWP Contractual obligation

Post by lottrum » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:41 pm

Thanks for the reply hawke.
Seems to be a bit of a disparity then

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Re: PWP Contractual obligation

Post by ell » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:19 am

I've heard of trusts making PWPs pay back portions of the training costs if they leave within a certain period after completing training. Not sure of the time period, but I suppose that's the same as having a contractual obligation to stay?

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Re: PWP Contractual obligation

Post by lottrum » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:35 am

Hi ell, yes i suppose it is. Probably the trainee vacancies are based on need within the trust. I think it was a similar situation with the physician associate role - some trusts were in need of PAs so they funded the courses but stipulated qualified PAs should stay working within that trust

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Re: PWP Contractual obligation

Post by nomnom » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:51 pm

I've heard similar, 6 months - 2 years but I'm not sure how often this is enforced.

In my current service, a PWP working for a consortium partner applied for a trainee high intensity after a year and bit of qualifying. They were successful and the condition of paying back was not enforced.
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Re: PWP Contractual obligation

Post by ell » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:18 am

I know someone who recently finished paying off the few thousands they owed the trust for this. So it does get enforced.

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Re: PWP Contractual obligation

Post by lottrum » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:47 am

Oh really, I am just mindful that when I apply for trainee vacancies then I need to bear this in mind

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Re: PWP Contractual obligation

Post by MindfulPsych » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:55 am

We do not have anything in our contracts that ask you to pay back money but naturally there is an expectation to stay after you have completed your training year :D

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Re: PWP Contractual obligation

Post by bluegoat » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:14 pm

I'm really surprised. In my 10 years in IAPT I have never heard or seen any PWP / HI trainee being asked to pay money back. In London the situation is that everyone is offered a 12-month contract, after which they are free to go wherever they want.

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